{"id":20577,"date":"2025-08-02T06:31:41","date_gmt":"2025-08-02T06:31:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/uxmag.com\/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=20577"},"modified":"2025-08-05T14:19:24","modified_gmt":"2025-08-05T14:19:24","slug":"the-dark-side-of-chasing-agi","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/uxmag.com\/podcast\/the-dark-side-of-chasing-agi","title":{"rendered":"The Dark Side of Chasing AGI"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In her instant New York Times bestseller, Empire of AI, journalist Karen Hao distills more than a decade of in-depth research into a detailed account of OpenAI\u2019s rise to power and why leadership at the company abandoned their promise to keep their research open. Karen joins Robb and Josh for a deep dive into murkiness surrounding what artificial general intelligence (AGI) actually represents and why AI colonialism and biased systems undercut efforts to create superintelligence that represents the vastness of human learning and experience. 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