{"id":20146,"date":"2025-02-21T17:57:16","date_gmt":"2025-02-21T17:57:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/uxmag.com\/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=20146"},"modified":"2025-02-27T07:56:05","modified_gmt":"2025-02-27T07:56:05","slug":"the-50-50-rule-with-ex-nasa-chief-dan-goldin","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/uxmag.com\/podcast\/the-50-50-rule-with-ex-nasa-chief-dan-goldin","title":{"rendered":"The 50\/50 Rule with ex NASA Chief Dan Goldin"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As NASA\u2019s longest-running Chief Administrator, Dan Goldin ushered in an era of \u201cfaster, better, cheaper\u201d that prioritized safety while pushing the organization forward. He joins Robb and Josh to discuss his approach to innovation and kick some holes in fallacies like the iron triangle, which he calls \u201chorsepuckey.\u201d Goldin was at the helm of major projects, including a redesign of the International Space Station, and various Mars exploration programs.<\/p>\n<p>Robb and Josh dig into his profound 50\/50 rule for finding team members who can move the needle on innovation without holding an organization back, which has a surprising connection to the work of Michaelangelo.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As NASA\u2019s longest-running Chief Administrator, Dan Goldin ushered in an era of \u201cfaster, better, cheaper\u201d that prioritized safety while pushing the organization forward. 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